Tuesday, October 28, 2014
Saturday, September 13, 2014
Bill Maher & Charlie Rose Compare Islam to Christianilty
I do not usually have much in common with Maher, but I agree with him in this article from September 12, 2014:
BILL MAHER: I saw Howard Dean on TV the other day and he said
something along the order, he said the people in ISIS -- he said I'm
about as Islamic as they are, you know, distancing the vast numbers of
Islamic people around the world from them. That's just not true.
CHARLIE ROSE: It is true.
MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between --
ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical?
MAHER: Let me finish.
ROSE: I was doing that.
MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that --
ROSE: A vast number of Christians too.
MAHER: No, that's not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians --
ROSE: I agree with that --
MAHER: -- do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren't just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No.
ROSE: No.
MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think.
ROSE: How do you know that?
MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it.
ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that?
MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago -- 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I'm sure you know these things.
ROSE: Well I do. But I don't believe --
MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed a couple weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality.
ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief.
MAHER: Right, okay, so we're upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they're our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I'm not saying -
ROSE: But they're now fighting against ISIS too. They're joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries.
MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS.
ROSE: Well, it's not the government. I mean, some of them --
MAHER: Certainly the governments.
ROSE: It's a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim --
MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don't have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don't you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it's not talked about nearly as much.
ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim?
MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one.
ROSE: I promise you I'll find one.
MAHER: Find a Muslim --
ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of --
MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue.
ROSE: -- not representative of the Islamic religion. I don't think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things.
MAHER: Well you're wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that's horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No.
But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says --
ROSE: I wouldn't expect for her to --
MAHER: And she would know better than --
ROSE: Exactly.
MAHER: But can we really say --
ROSE: She's been a victim.
MAHER: -- women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places.
ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women.
MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries --
ROSE: As they should.
MAHER: -- they're doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, 'they want to.' They want to. They've been brainwashed. It's like saying a street walker wants to do that.
CHARLIE ROSE: It is true.
MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between --
ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical?
MAHER: Let me finish.
ROSE: I was doing that.
MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that --
ROSE: A vast number of Christians too.
MAHER: No, that's not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians --
ROSE: I agree with that --
MAHER: -- do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren't just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No.
ROSE: No.
MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think.
ROSE: How do you know that?
MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it.
ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that?
MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago -- 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I'm sure you know these things.
ROSE: Well I do. But I don't believe --
MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed a couple weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality.
ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief.
MAHER: Right, okay, so we're upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they're our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I'm not saying -
ROSE: But they're now fighting against ISIS too. They're joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries.
MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS.
ROSE: Well, it's not the government. I mean, some of them --
MAHER: Certainly the governments.
ROSE: It's a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim --
MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don't have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don't you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it's not talked about nearly as much.
ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim?
MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one.
ROSE: I promise you I'll find one.
MAHER: Find a Muslim --
ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of --
MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue.
ROSE: -- not representative of the Islamic religion. I don't think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things.
MAHER: Well you're wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that's horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No.
But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says --
ROSE: I wouldn't expect for her to --
MAHER: And she would know better than --
ROSE: Exactly.
MAHER: But can we really say --
ROSE: She's been a victim.
MAHER: -- women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places.
ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women.
MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries --
ROSE: As they should.
MAHER: -- they're doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, 'they want to.' They want to. They've been brainwashed. It's like saying a street walker wants to do that.
Sunday, March 23, 2014
Cardinal Burke: Obama Policies 'Hostile Toward Christian Civilization'
source: http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/catholic-christian-cardinal-secular/2014/03/21/id/561046/
President Barack Obama's policies "have become progressively more hostile toward Christian civilization," Cardinal Raymond Burke, the Vatican's chief justice, said this week.
"He appears to be a totally secularized man who aggressively promotes anti-life and anti-family policies," Burke, president of the Apostolic Signatura, said in an interview published Thursday by LifeSiteNews.com. "Now he wants to restrict the exercise of the freedom of religion to freedom of worship.
"He holds that one is free to act according to his conscience within the confines of his place of worship but that, once the person leaves the place of worship, the government can constrain him to act against his rightly-formed conscience, even in the most serious of moral questions," Burke said.
"Such policies would have been unimaginable in the United States even 40 years ago."
Burke is the former archbishop of St. Louis. In December, Pope Francis removed the conservative cardinal from his seat on the Vatican's influential Congregation for Bishops.
The cardinal's wide-ranging interview was first published in Polish in Polonia Christiana magazine.
Burke also said that priests should deny communion to Catholic politicians who support such issues as abortion and same-sex marriage.
"In the case of a politician or other public figure who acts against the moral law in a grave matter," he said, "and yet presents himself to receive Holy Communion, the priest should admonish the person in question and then, if he or she persists in approaching to receive Holy Communion, the priest should refuse to give the Body of Christ to the person.
"The priest’s refusal to give Holy Communion is a prime act of pastoral charity, helping the person in question to avoid sacrilege and safeguarding the other faithful from scandal."
Burke, who has long contended that priests should withhold communion to Catholic politicians with such views, added that he was encouraged by the growing pro-life movement in the United States, despite the Supreme Court's 1973 decision upholding a woman's right to an abortion.
"It is true that the Supreme Court decision stands, but it is also true that the pro-life movement has grown ever stronger in the United States," he said. "More and more citizens, especially young citizens, have been awakened to the truth about the grave evil of procured abortion."
In addition, Burke said that "false" interpretations of the First Amendment that separate church and state have led the Catholic Church to become "timid regarding its solemn duty to defend the truth in the public forum.
"The non-establishment clause prohibits an established religion or religion of the state in the USA, but it does not prohibit the church from witnessing publicly to the truth."
Such interpretations, he said, have "favored the anti-life and anti-family movements in the USA."
President Barack Obama's policies "have become progressively more hostile toward Christian civilization," Cardinal Raymond Burke, the Vatican's chief justice, said this week.
"He appears to be a totally secularized man who aggressively promotes anti-life and anti-family policies," Burke, president of the Apostolic Signatura, said in an interview published Thursday by LifeSiteNews.com. "Now he wants to restrict the exercise of the freedom of religion to freedom of worship.
"He holds that one is free to act according to his conscience within the confines of his place of worship but that, once the person leaves the place of worship, the government can constrain him to act against his rightly-formed conscience, even in the most serious of moral questions," Burke said.
"Such policies would have been unimaginable in the United States even 40 years ago."
Burke is the former archbishop of St. Louis. In December, Pope Francis removed the conservative cardinal from his seat on the Vatican's influential Congregation for Bishops.
The cardinal's wide-ranging interview was first published in Polish in Polonia Christiana magazine.
Burke also said that priests should deny communion to Catholic politicians who support such issues as abortion and same-sex marriage.
"In the case of a politician or other public figure who acts against the moral law in a grave matter," he said, "and yet presents himself to receive Holy Communion, the priest should admonish the person in question and then, if he or she persists in approaching to receive Holy Communion, the priest should refuse to give the Body of Christ to the person.
"The priest’s refusal to give Holy Communion is a prime act of pastoral charity, helping the person in question to avoid sacrilege and safeguarding the other faithful from scandal."
Burke, who has long contended that priests should withhold communion to Catholic politicians with such views, added that he was encouraged by the growing pro-life movement in the United States, despite the Supreme Court's 1973 decision upholding a woman's right to an abortion.
"It is true that the Supreme Court decision stands, but it is also true that the pro-life movement has grown ever stronger in the United States," he said. "More and more citizens, especially young citizens, have been awakened to the truth about the grave evil of procured abortion."
In addition, Burke said that "false" interpretations of the First Amendment that separate church and state have led the Catholic Church to become "timid regarding its solemn duty to defend the truth in the public forum.
"The non-establishment clause prohibits an established religion or religion of the state in the USA, but it does not prohibit the church from witnessing publicly to the truth."
Such interpretations, he said, have "favored the anti-life and anti-family movements in the USA."
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